I need help with identifying the different Spanish Sticky Fingers versions. The "can" version that is.
I friend of mine has a few of them but we do not know which one is the first pressing of his HRSS 591-01 LP's
Cover version. One of the covers has a white toung logo in the upper right corner on the front side of the cover. The other one has a red toung. Which one is the earlier press?
The label. One has the Sticky Fingers "stamp" all over and the other one has not any SF stamp
He has three combinations of cover / vinyl: 1. White logo cover / "Stamped" label 2. Red logo on cover / "Stamped" label 3. Red logo on cover / no "stamp" on the label
A couple of pictures
I have the one with the red logo on cover, with the sticky fingers stamp all over. When i bought it , the seller told me that this one is the first pressing. It has also the lyric sheet inside, with the giant tong logo.
This is one of the most frustrating Stones collectibles for me personally as everytime I purchased a copy thinking it was the original another version would appear. It is amazing how many official versions exist and now with so many boot copies really does muddy the waters. Some-where on this board the subject was discussed before in detail but left up in the air as to what the absolute original version was. I would like to throw a curve ball out there and suggest that the plain unstamped LABEL/RED LOGO COVER is infact the very first pressing closely followed or jointly released at the same time as the Stamped. I previously had great information that this was the original and the one simple way you can tell is infact by the insert sheets and the type of paper used .Although they do all look the same even up to many of the re-issues the original should have the non gloss paper similar to the UK version and show signs of browning and ageing where- as the others will have a gloss or slightly gloss feel. The photo attached does not really show the matt finish to the insert and the ageing. The album has identical machined matrix details as the stamped version HRSS 591 01 0 and the printing block for the labels is identical in placement to the point where the stamp and logo are the only difference .Covers again are identical in every way with the gloss and feel to me the same. Rik, with your list are you confident and can confirm that is the order for this release because I noticed with your icon against this non stamped you are maybe not sure where it fits in. Either way I will go with what you say as this one is in your own country and I am sure you have a handle on it more than any of us. Anyway I just thought I would put this info out there as I think collectors just assume the Stamped copy just like the UK is the original ,and would love if we can finally settle or more info come to light as to what the true original version of this great if not the greatest Rolling Stones LP collectible. Look forward to your thoughts Peter Ps The treacle sleeve was actually imported by a few stores here in OZ in the mid 70’s and housed with an Aussie record. You use to see a few of them years ago .I’ll place an entry in the OZ thread and discuss more
Post by stonedkoala on Feb 25, 2012 12:55:26 GMT 1
By no means am I saying that this is the absolute original . The points I make are based on a couple of different observations and open for discussion.
The first one being the non stamped I purchased from a Spainish seller who said he bought it when first released . Many sellers tell you that so you cannot rely 100%
Next an impeccable Top UK collector (who sadly is no longer with us) told me the simple trick of looking at the inserts .
Thirdly I have always thought the non stamped is much harder to find and very scarce , but maybe that is just me. Attached is the "original " stamped version as compared with the Non stamped the insert is much glossier.
When I saw Rik not sure of what year the non stamped / red logo cover was from again I thought maybe as a original could be true. But I will leave that up to him and his thoughts . I really hope we can confirm this either way and put it to bed so to speak.
Hi: The first thing I will say is that I feel ashamed to be spanish and not have the answer... - I am quite sure that the version with the white tongue is a reprint of 1975 (a picture appears on the back of the Ain't Too Proud To Beg single, so no doubt). - The reissue from 1980 (EMI records) is also correct; by the way: they released before (1979) the trousers version but the people in Spain asked for the tin can version and they decided to do a reissue with the tin can cover; so the problem is the stamped and no-stamped Hispavox ones:
I know a guy who confirmed me that he had bought the album in Madrid on the day of publication and his copy is stamped; but since I don't have more info about this guy, I'm not entirely sure about this info. Since I don't know where to put the plain label version, I decided that perhaps it was a late 70s version from Hispavox, trying to cash when they knew that they would not release more records of the Stones. About the signs of browning and ageing, I have the luck to have all four versions very clean so I can't say what one is original using that signs.
In Spain everyone says that the most rare is the white tongue, but I think like you that the rarer version is the plain label.
I was waiting for Luca Accialini's book to see if he had solved the mystery, in fact I sent all the information I have to him, but so far the book is not been published and he don't answer my mail (no problem about this).
I will compare the four versions this weekend and ask the question to a friend; if I find out something I let you know.
Sorry for the dely but I was too busy this week. One last question about the greatness of this forum: is the FIRST time I see a discusion about the plain label version... I have every book published in Spain about the Stones, and I find a lot of mentions of the tin can cover of Sticky Fingers, but never about the plain label.
After reading all this information, i thought to myself, lets have a look to my copy. Its years ago that i looked to my spanisch sticky fingers, and i saw ; my copy is the one without the stamped label. I thought that my copy is the one with the stamped label ( like i mentioned in this thread.) I must more looking to my records. So , i got the first pressing like stonedkoala said. The innersheet is the non glossed with browning edges, and the label is deep grooved with no stamp on it. Here are the pictures.
Sorry for the not so good pictures, must need a better camera.
Great stuff guys, Sorry Rik, Didn't mean to put any pressure on you mate but as the only Spainish poster here it all comes down to you !! LOL
Great to see Dartfords Lp has the same details as mine as you start to question whether items have been added and changed.I think between all of us we cannot rely on the Seller saying it is original or they purchased it at the time.
I believe either way both these pressings are very close together but again the question WHY?
Look forward to further details coming to hand Attached for comparison is one of the re-issues.