Thanks, JR. But the boxed mono picture that i attached is not the picture of my boxed mono. The three other pictures are from my records, all in near mint cond. My boxed mono is in ex. cond. but on the label is a name written. You can see the picture of my label on Jan's decca page. The boxed mono is much rarer than the LIB boxed mono. I bought mine a couple of years ago on ebay extremely cheap. It was a " Buy it now" for 10 pounds. It must be just a few minutes on the bay, because i was the first person who watch the record. The second time i saw the boxed TTPD mono , was 3 years later on ebay. I wonder how much they pressed of this one.
I have always found the “Through the Past Darkly”prototype picture disc fascinating and with interest I have been watching the latest discussion over at IORR since recent copies have surfaced.
The current owner who started the thread at IORR has had discussions with some members here.The attached pic is the same from IORR posted by Rik and also sent to another member here.
I was asked for an opinion on it and this is what info I know of the item.
My understanding of the Picture disc was that it first and only surfaced (some 6 copies approx.) for sale as part of the Jimmy Miller Estate sale which I would assume was in the late 90’s. There was a copy being offered privately for around $5000 in approx 2001.
This was the first time I had ever heard of the disc. Of course the price was obscene and the owner bragged that he would get $10,000 for it at auction. I cannot remember which one he used ( maybe Phillips) but it only sold for $2500. (still a solid price back then ). The biggest problem I had was I could never find any info on the Jimmy Miller Estate sale. I would love if anyone can confirm this event and details because I believe it holds the key to this fascinating item.
I think that is what put many collectors off from buying it at the time. Apparently the 6 copies at the Miller auction all sold for around $600 each or so we were told.
I have not seen the Big Hits version before now, only the TTPD and the Ten years after on the B side.They do look great. What makes the current copies of interest is we now have the owner saying he received them in 1969 from his father who was in the record industry for 40 years. Obviously separate from the Jim Miller auction.
Again the key is confirmation of this auction.I found it hard pressed to believe Jimmy Miller would have had copies of this prototype but maybe these new copies can confirm and shed some more light.
My only concern is now that fresh images(which are much appreciated for us all to see) of these Discs are out there that it cannot be too long before our bootlegger friends have copies pressed. Stay tuned !!! The current owner obviously is keen to sell and trying to gain publicity for the discs , but bootleg alert. They can be quick.
Pic discs as we know are the least collectable of all vinyl discs but if truly confirmed with provenance than these are surely to the Picture Disc collector the Holy Grail.
As we know the majority of all Stones Picture discs are infact unofficial which does put many collectors off. Also the many “fake Test”and miss- pressings that are always for sale tends to cloud the water a little.
I do not think these Prototype discs are in the “Rolled Gold xmas LP “ catergory just yet, but it would be great to get some further info and any confirmation on the Miller auction and when it occurred.
Look forward to your comments and thoughts.
BTW I see H’man’s 50th Birthday today , Best wishes to Ya Big Fella……..
and about this picture discs, stone-relics wrote in 2007:
Re: Vinyl records - will I be able to retire on the rare ones? Posted by: stone-relics () Date: February 1, 2007 19:18
Top Listed Stones Records:
US Street Fighter Picture Sleeve (15 or so known copies), NM $20,000 Plus...(last one I sold in VG went for $16,000) US STOCK copies of Stoned (only 5 known copies) $16,000 Plus (last one I sold, in VG condition, $16,000) Prototype Pic Disc of Through the Past, Darkly $10,000+ Prototype Cover of Big Hits (text on two lines) $10,000+ Promotional Let It Bleed, MULTICOLOR Vinyl (Only 1 known copy) $10,000 + 12x5, blue vinyl, Stereo, open london label (only 1 known Copy) $10,000 + Any Bell Sound or Decca, or other acetates with UNRELEASED material, ie NOT bootlegged---$5,000 - $10,000 RSM-1 (UK promo album, MONO) NM with letter and Catalogue $3,000-$5,000 RSD-1 (US Promo album, Stereo)$1,500-$3,000 NM Beast of Burden US sleeve $1,000 -$2,000 Englands Newest HitMakers, UK Export WLP London FFRR, NM $1,500-$3,000 US MONO Sticky Fingers WLP $1,000 and Up... Heart of Stone US Pic Sleeve NM, $750-$1500
promos and demos, of the rare nature come in at anywhere from $50-$1,500 depending on the variation...
So, if you have all of these, is about $150,000. Not really enough to retire on, but a nice start.... This is off the top of my head, so may have missed some, but you get the idea.
Hi all, I recently brought on ebay a Through The Past Darkly second pressing blue and silver boxed decca stereo factory sample LP. I have being told it has the same maxtrix numbers from the first stereo pressing. Numbers being XARL-9067-P - 1W + XARL.9068 P - 2W.
I've got a question about the uk TTPD mono. Would there be a uk mono "Through the past darkly" with 1A-2A matrixnumbers? All the TTPD uk mono's i ever seen had always 1A-3A matrixnumbers. My uk mono TTPD demo has 1A-1A matrixnumbers. So, I think, if there's a 1A , and 3A , then there must also exist a 2A , but i never seen one. Hope somebody can help me ?