I got my copy back in 1978 from a guy who got it in 1972 as an import here in the US. Mine is the unstamped, red tongue cover with the one-sided non-glossy track detail sheet with Madrid on the bottom of it. The matrix is identical to that which Koala refers, and I, too, believe that this is the first pressing based on all that I have read, the small pix on the back of the Spanish Brown Sugar single from 71, and based on what the collector told me 34 years ago.
One thing that mine does not have is a lyric sheet, as mine is only track detail. If someone has an actual insert with LYRICS and not just track detail thereon, I would love to see it, because I have never seen it before.
Another thing that JR and I have talked about for years is that one way to determine a reissue might be the city listed on the track detail sheet. My recollection is that all originals came out of Madrid, but perhaps another wiser-head can impart more on this specific detail. I have "borrowed" stonedkoala's picture, because mine is the same as his.
stonesstein also asked if all originals came out of Madrid: I have many Hispavox records and all of them were from Madrid.
I have a question for stonedkoala: he said that "The treacle sleeve was actually imported by a few stores here in OZ in the mid 70’s and housed with an Aussie record. You use to see a few of them years ago .I’ll place an entry in the OZ thread and discuss more".
So you are saying that they put a record with Sister Morphine on a sleeve in wich that song is not listed and instead is listed Let It Rock (live at Leeds)
A related item of this era is the Brown Sugar single in the four versions: white label promo and the stock copy without Number One warnings and with them in different orders:
I hope you enjoy the photos ... I have done everything possible but it is clear that I need to improve as a photographer or should change my camera.
Post by stonedkoala on Feb 27, 2012 22:34:57 GMT 1
Great Stuff Everyone !! I have had more info come in and I reckon we are close to cracking the order of these pressings. I will post more when I get home from work tonight. Rik I have a couple of questions for ya. Firstly , we can assume all originals came from Hispavox Records and they only had the one pressings facility in Madrid. All Emi/Odean re-issues would only come from their one plant which would be in Barcelona.
Also as we speak if you were to go out around the traps to your local music and record stores,markets etc , are these copies quite common and readily available in Spain. Also what copy would be most likely find. Or do certain copies never turn up. Specifically have you purchased a non stamp copy in Spain. I agree with you to Stonesstein that I have never seen a lyric sheet in any copies. Regarding the "Aussie import" exactly what you suggested is true. They simply put a Aussie record in with the sleeve and all it had on the outside wrapping was a sticker with Special import on them. When you think about it there is no song or Tracklisting on the back cover which makes it perfect for exporting which I have no doubt this was a bonus for this release. Will post a summing up tonight. BTW . I love the cassette format .What an image . As I said before , IMHO probably the best ever Stones artwork..............
Hi stonedkoala: I hope you post soon that info but at the moment and I must thank you because I have clarified many things with your posts. I'm still waiting for information from a spanish collector, but still, nothing at the moment. I must say that right now I'm almost sure that the original is the plain label version.
About your questions: I only known of a pressing plant from Hispavox (Madrid) and one from Emi/Odeon (Barcelona).
The album is easy to find in Spain, but very dificult if you want a mint copy or if you want an specific version, or, of course, if you want the insert and in good shape... Remember that I was born the very same day that this album was released, so I bought it 20 years later through collector' stores: The first version I bought was the stamped one and I think that is the easiest to locate (I even upgraded my copy years later). Then, the reissue from EMI. This one is easy to find. The one with the white tongue is know in Spain as the rarest: I think that probably very few copies were released. I usually see around 2 or 3 copies a year on ebay, but lately there have been some more. Finally, the most difficult version (in my opinion) is the plain label (and probably, original) version.
...and I must say that the cassette is very rare: I've only seen the copy I have and one on Popsike. I'm still looking for the EMI version (exists!!!).
I'm waiting for more info on that exports to Australia, I want one copy!
One last question that can help somebody here: the inner bag in all my copies is the one pictured below with a cut at near the top... I hope the picture helps to show what my very bad english can't tell you...
My plain label version has the same innersleeve as in your last picture Rik. My parents bought me two copies ,brand new, in a recordshop on Tenerife while on vacation in 1979. Never thought that this could be a first pressing...
Post by stonedkoala on Feb 29, 2012 14:43:48 GMT 1
Firstly I would like to say a big thankyou to all the information (which has been a lot) that has come in from both you guys here on the forum and “Outside” the forum. Keep lurking boys !!!
Every little bit of info has been added to the time frame and in this case has all surprisingly fitted in nicely. It is great when people can remember where and what date they purchased this item. I believe what we have with the Stamped and Non stamped “red logo cover” Spanish Sticky Fingers ,are two original pressing’s very close together.I have gone over and over with both side by side and the only difference I can tell (other than the stamp on label) is the non Stamp version may have a slightly more rigid cover but has a lesser quality of board used .The Stamped uses a white high grade board which could also relate to the insert being of better paper quality.
This is the only difference .The vinyl to me seems identical in every way shape weight and form with matrix details in exact positions in run off grooves etc. Incredibly there is a minute blemish of an air bubble that appears on both pressings in the same spot !!! Attached is a photo of the two showing the cut plastic sleeve( I think unique to Spain) which again appears identical .The only difference being the inserts.
As I said previously the printing block for label details other than stamp and logo are in identical spots. I just don’t think 2 pressings both label and cover could be so similar say pressed 8 to 9 years apart as suggested previously.
I believe what we have here is the Stamped /Red logo /gloss insert as being the true first Spanish pressing catering for the Spain market . I then believe the non stamped /red logo /matt insert closely follows almost simultaneously as a export copy. Could be pressed anywhere from 2 to 12 months after the original release . Everyone from both the forum and off that had non stamp copies all purchased or from a seller that was NOT from Spain. I think Spain realised they were on to a real winner with this cover as Demand was growing worldwide and ending up being exported to all parts of the world.
I have read period articles in Australian music mags from the time saying basically check out this wild and different Sticky Fingers cover from Spain.So collectors where very aware of it right from the word go and of course the added bonus of "let it Rock" . Brilliant marketing and for-sight or just plain luck !!
I know we have been led to believe that the Government of the day banned the Zip cover and “Sister Morphine” song but I could not find any evidence to support this(but I will leave that up to Rik for his views). I tend to think that this was purely a marketing decision for whatever reason by Hispavox in Spain. Maybe the zipper was too hard to manufacture there(as it was for many countries) or too hard to import and instead of pressing a non zipper inferior cover they decided to come up with this beauty of a design. Still having shock value. Then it turned out to be an out and out winner with the later bonus of export sales.
I know I originally stated that we cannot go by what Sellers of this item have said when selling this version but with nearly every example has fitted into the time frame perfectly.That is why I asked Ricardo if the non stamped version was common in Spain and both he and another Collector from Spain I contacted have confirmed that they both had not seen one. I am sure copies did seldom appear locally for whatever reason and might explain some still sitting around when vinckske ‘s parents purchased his copies in Tenerife in 1979.
We have many absolute confirmed purchases in the very early 70’s of the Non stamped as an import into the US ,UK ,Australia and I had one confirmed in Mexico where this release was a solid seller. I can confirm that Australia had both fully imported cover and record and also covers only .
I even went back and checked my non stamp purchase from approx. 3 years ago and I had it around the wrong way. My non stamp was from a UK seller who said he purchased it new in the early 70’s and my Stamped then must have been from a Spanish collector who claimed he had it since new . Why the different label. Firstly I think it did not clash with both the local label and also as an import into the Uk with the Stamped label. Then on the other hand maybe the label conformed with the similar Sticky Fingers US label and other countries with this style like Mexico ,Australia and others. I guess we will never really know. Just a theory !!
Better quality board was used for the first Spanish local pressings and then maybe as a cheaper alternative slightly lesser grade was used when pressing time came around for the export version . Collectors are right when stating that the only way to tell the difference is by the finish of the insert and probably thought that with the age spotting meant it was older and the true original. I don’t think we can go by that ,it just comes down to quality on a printing run which does not mean it is the first. Rik , I think your original order or pressings is spot on ,just this non stamped you had not come across maybe fits in nicely behind the original Stamped. With the White logo /centred logo label 1975 reissue you would think that this non stamped would not be used again other than early on. I also think we are safe to where the re-issues fit into the timeline plus we have also had confirmation of purchase dates from Kapel and Rootsman on those.
As always none of this information here is ever gospel , a lot of theory ,but hopefully more info will come to light and really look forward to any further thoughts and views .I really hope we can nail this one and not leave it hanging like so many threads.That is why it is fantastic so much solid info came in on this one. I reckon because it is one of the true great Stones collectibles from one of the best if not the best LP musically from the band.
I think we should dedicate this thread to Rik (as our only regular Spanish poster)and his love for this release and look forward to his thoughts and blessing to the info we have so far ,all come up with……. Best Peter
First: thank you very much to both (Peter and darford) for dedicate this thread to me, but YOU are those who find out the info!! Many thanks!.
Sorry but yesterday I forgot to write an information that confirms the previous text by stonedkoala: I got my plain label from Germany, so I think you're right about this version used as some kind of export. Also, I just got an email from the collector of which I speak on this forum, and he seems to confirm that all the spanish people who he know purchased the stamped label version when the record was released (may, not april, 1971).
You said that "...the Government of the day banned the Zip cover and “Sister Morphine” song but I could not find any evidence to support this...". Well, in the newspaper articles and in the books to which I had access always assumed that was this was... A new book about Censorship in Rock in Spain is going to be published next month so perhaps I can find more info later.